Interview Transcript of Barry Young interviewed by Alex Jones & Steve Kirsch 2023-12-06 6th Dec
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[Interview Preview] [Steve Kirsch] What happened when you sent the email? Did you send the email and what happened? And why don't you describe what the email you sent was? Well, I think it was really important. [Barry Young] A million times. Yeah. So I was trying to reach the deputy prime minister for a couple of days before then, and I was, you know, calling them constantly. Got nowhere. So was Liz Gunn as well. And so we got, we got nowhere. And I sent the email, it's basically said, I am a database administrator, I work for the Ministry of Health. These are my credentials. I implemented this database. I've noticed massive red flag safety signals in it. And statistically doing some basic analysis that shows that these vaccines are killing people. And there's a hundred billion to one chance that they're not killing people. So statistically, you know, it's a certainty that they are. And I just said to them, in the name of humanity, you've got two choices you can be on the right side of history, or you can choose to do nothing.
[Video Cut Edited] [Barry Young] If you're a worker in a factory or a building site or whatever, and you notice there's a machine or scaffolding or whatever, that isn't safe. And it's killing people. You'd say to your boss, hey, look, there's a machine over there that's killed five people already. And you know, what are you going to do about it? In any other circumstance, your boss would say, all right, let's fix it. Let's fix the problem. What you wouldn't expect your boss to do is suspend you immediately, and then arrest you, and then tell everyone else just to ignore everything and go back to work and ignore the pile of corpses.
[Alex Jones] What is your message to others that are in your same position?
[Barry Young] Oh, absolutely come forward. It's, you know, it's got to happen. Their narrative is crumbling. Every time they come out with something and say, well, an only vaxxer, I'm not, is coming out and when you spread misinformation, how can I spread misinformation when it's government data? It's their own data. So every time they say that, the just the audience is shrinking, and more and more people are seeing the truth. And that's what needs to happen. More people, regular people, not our, not our, you know, echo chamber that we sometimes live in. Ordinary people who, you know, didn't really want to get vaccinated, but had to be vaccinated just to keep a job to put food on the table. We need to reach those people. And the more people who come out and say, you know, this, I've noticed this is wrong, the better the world is turning now. It's coming our way. We are, we are winning now, and this has got to end. And we have to have a fair, open and honest inquiry about, you know, what went on and why it went on and what the world tuned. It's just crazy. It's just wrong what they did. And, you know, anyone can anyone can see that we should get this information out there and do the analysis. Have a government inquiry.
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[Steve Kirsch] They need to hide the public health data from the public. And that they will go after anyone who tries to create any kind of data transparency. So the public can figure out what is going on. And so they will go to great points that will probably try to put Barry and jail for the rest of his life. Because his crime is exposing the fact that the New Zealand Ministry of Health and the Health New Zealand are complicit in covering up the deaths of over over 10,000 people who live in New Zealand.
[Video Cut Edited] [Barry Young] We have to hold the inquiries. We have to look at it. Have a fair, honest, open discussion. But at least look at the data. Don't just try and lock people away because you can lock me away. You can put me away. But you can't hide the truth. You can't lock away the truth. It will always come out.
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[00:04:53] [Alex Jones] My uncle William Forrest Hammond was a highly decorated helicopter pilot in Vietnam. [00:05:00] And he then got recruited by the CIA and was high level. I mean in charge of some things because he spoke fluent Spanish and was the fastest radio operator. Basically one national awards. He's a little kid. I don't go to big story about him. One national awards for Morse code. Commanders commander. And he got out of it in the late 1980s. And he never told me all of it. But he said incrementally they got him to do bad things in Vietnam and bad things in Latin America. But he finally saw stuff so bad. He said, there comes a moment where you decide which side you're really going to join. And it was when he saw them smuggling children out of orphanages going God knows where in Guatemala that he and some of the officers under him left. And they killed one of the guys shot my uncle and him up on the side of the road. You name it. I picked him off of a stretcher at Air Force base in Dallas with my mom and dad. And the reason I tell that story is there have been millions of good men and women throughout history, not just in America, that stand up against evil when they see it right in their face. And it's going to be the whistleblowers. Low level, mid level, high level that are going to stop this global corporate black rock fascist operation that sees us as a bunch of animals and a big domino in bringing that down fell last Thursday with a man who said, and they had lawyers and journalists that vetted it for months and proved it all and had their experts look at it, who said I was the head administrator. The only guy that was able to see all the databases together and to see the huge numbers of deaths that we also see around the world to the insurance company numbers. The next day, the corporate media said, yeah, he's real. He wasn't administrator, but he's misrepresenting it with no proof of that. And then they arrested him and took him to jail. And he got out yesterday or a day and a half ago now because New Zealand is a day ahead of us. And now we've seen other whistleblowers coming out as well. We see this Navy medical officer, high level being relieved of his access and command because he has the official memos where they say we have a 963% increase in cardiac arrest since the shots. We can't even put helicopters and jets in the air. It's a crisis. He showed it. Well, now he's in trouble. But you know, it was Edward Snowden that was talking about this and many others that said, when it's criminal to report crime, you're ruled by criminals. So he joins us for the rest of the hour. I know it's late over there. He's very gracious. Barry Young, the whistleblower, real hero, Steve Kirsch, investigative journalist and well known MIT computer inventor, is going to be joining us as well, Liz Gunn, the lawyer and journalist who broke all this with Barry Young. She's also going to be joining us. They're reportedly going after other people as well, but he got a standing ovation in court a day and a half ago. And so I want him to just talk about whatever he wants to get into here to millions of people that are watching and see him as an example. And then obviously I'd like him to speak to is in his intent, which I think he's pretty much stated in the first big interview, you know, that he did with this all broke last Thursday to spur others to come forward that are at this level. There's been one other case, it was six months into the British rollout. The ministry defense was actually in charge of it. They actually said you should yellow card this. But then the government board said no, yellow card means pull. So he is vindicated. He will be further vindicated. They say, well, he's not a medical person. How's he know? Well, this Navy officer is and was in charge of much stuff. And he's got their official Navy memo internally going throughout the Navy to the medical staff that this is going on. Record heart attacks record cardiac arrest. So joining us and we appreciate him. We're going to skip this break coming up. We have more time. It's Barry Young statistician and whistleblower Barry Young, also known as Winston Smith, 56 has been arrested by New Zealand authorities for exposing a damning database of COVID-19 vaccine deaths. However, the official charge was dishonesty assessing vaccination data. So that's not the crime we've been getting with data. It's the crime of misrepresenting it that claim. Wow, without any proof, without any examples, in a long form interview with Liz Gunn, of the New Zealand loyal party, founder of the New Zealand loyal party on November 30th, [00:10:00] Mr Young presented connections between specific COVID-19 vaccine batches and mortality rates. The data he shared was alarming. And we found the same numbers around the world where you have reporting system. So he joins us now, Barry, we're all very proud of you. You're an example to us all. Thank you so much for joining us. And thank you for your family's courage as well.
[Barry Young] Thank you. It's lovely to be here. Thank you for having me. How are you?
[Alex Jones] I'm doing better knowing there's folks like you in the world. We had a big federal whistleblower on yesterday about 80 plus thousand missing children. And they found a sex slavery, many of them show. So you guys are really the torch in the darkness here that we're counting on. I can ask a lot of questions, sir, but you're gracious to be here. Where would you like to begin?
[Barry Young] Well, firstly, it's early in the morning. So I've had my sleep. So a little bit real peace. I have my coffee here. And also the picked a really good photo for the court, didn't I? I mean, how dodgy can you look? So yeah, it's really good to be out. I'll say that. It's lovely. It's the sun is shining out here. It's a beautiful day. It's the beginning of summer in New Zealand. So it's just beautiful. It's a beautiful place. And I'm just so happy to be out.
[Alex Jones] Well, you may think it looks dodgy, but I see a very honorable man right there.
[Barry Young] Thank you. I was wearing my memory walk t-shirt from old Samus. It's just the thing that I happen to be wearing at the time, but it sends a good message that I am an actually decent guy.
[Alex Jones] I mean, I want you to really talk about what you want, but I understand you're not a talk show host, you're a little bit reserved. Let's start with when you started to have questions and why the process of deciding to go public and then what you found in the data.
[Barry Young] Yeah, well, yeah, like you say, this is my thing. This is my gig. I'm a back level guy. I'm a database administrator. I live in the shadows of, you know, IT and our job is basically to where trusted with the data. That's what we do, where we're chosen to be trustworthy people. And our job is to make sure that all the data is reliable and it's timely, it's secure, and all the, you know, your bank transactions all get done and the all correct, all your bills get paid on time, all that sort of stuff. That's basically what I do. Data is my thing. So, yeah, well, I helped build this system. There was a big team involved, obviously. I had a quite big part to play. I would say there were, you know, singing the prizes during that and ending that whole project when it went live, we said, oh, Barry, you can do a great job and all that. So I did, from beginning to end, I was involved with it from, you know, all different aspects of it. I'm very good at problem solving fixing things. So, I was involved with fixing all sorts of stuff and, you know, debugging the code, the PL, SQL procedures and functions that go into it. I wrote a few Unix scripts to handle it. And yeah, I basically knew it from beginning to end. And it is a financial transaction system. So, every single record on there has to be, you know, financially correct and auditable. And every single record on there, on the, on the table, on the database, is audited by a complicated rules engine, which has to verify everything on that record as true and accurate. So, it can be audited and it can be paid and it's all financially correct. So, it is a complete, it's a very robust sound system. I said, it's not the only system in New Zealand. We have others, but it is one of the biggest.
[Alex Jones] So, you're able to basically type things in and run reports.
[Barry Young] Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I've got access to the whole enchilada, it's basically the, because New Zealand is such a small place. I don't really need one database. I've ministered to do this and that happened to be me. And I think, you know, God, the universe popped me in this place at this time. So, I could actually, you know, do this. And, you know, it's just, you know, fortune that has made it possible that I've had access to that. And I was never anti-vaxy, that I was never, never, that's, I was involved with this vaccine payment system. So, you know, it was
[Alex Jones] You have a lot of credibility. So, so when did alarm bells start going off?
[Barry Young] Yeah, well, my background, basically, I've had high-level access all over the world. I worked in Swiss banks in Zurich and so I've had top-level clearance for 20 years and I worked in the biggest New Zealand bank for 10 years with the same, like, top-level data access to all customers' data. So, when alarm bells started going off with this, you know, I know data quite well. When I started looking up the data and I always had my doubts about it, you know, because it was, [00:15:00] it didn't sit quite right when they were saying the speed of science and stuff like that. And I knew that it wasn't properly tested or anything like that. It was just rushed through. And, you know, with science and a vaccine, it takes years and years and years of procedures and processes that they've got to go through before it becomes available for market. And this thing is just so rushed. And so, I always had suspicions about it. And, you know, I just looked at the data and what I was seeing since the rollout, it just blew my mind. I was just seeing more and more people die and that shouldn't have been dying. It was just obvious. If you're a database administrator and you scroll through data, you can sense this stuff. And I'm not a statistician. I mean, a lot of data quite well.
[Alex Jones] Sorry, I was just going to talk about what the bio said. So,so
[00:16:03] [Barry Young] That's why I wanted to bring this out. It's because I want people to analyze this. I want people to look at it and say, you know, is this an actual thing? And I'm pretty sure in my heart, it is. And they just need to, we need to open it up. And the government needs to have an inquiry about it. Just bring it to the public's attention. I'm saying, go and look at this data and analyze it and answer some questions here that we've got. So, you know, the analysts and people like that can say, oh, there's a, you know, the odds of this not being a killer. And I saw some really big safety signals, some really big red flags. So the odds of it not being a killer. Someone estimated at 100 billion to one against, which statistically means it's impossible that it's not killing people.
[Alex Jones] Let's, I want to get back into the numbers and with Steve Kirsch, you coming up and more. But we're seeing these from insurance companies, other government databases. And we know they're way more deaths in 2021, 2022 and the 23. They're at the peak of COVID in 2020. We know this. And now they admit vaccine doesn't protect you. It admits that it raises your immune system. I mean, they now admit that they admit the spike protein attacks your DNA. I mean, everything they told us was a lie, but we had a global unified propaganda push to censor people that even ever tried to question it. It's just it's just wild. So speculation here, rather than just the raw data explosion of illnesses and deaths and all the rest of it. Well, what do you think this is all about? Because a good government and most of the governments are trying to cover this up, the Filipino government, a bunch of governments in Latin America, the Japanese government is investigating it and saying it's terrible. A bunch of other governments are as well. So that's starting to happen. We've had all these prestigious scientists like Dr. Michael Hinoan of Pfizer, former vice president, infectious disease, I mean, they've came up before it was given and said this would happen. We have the FDA document from October 2000, predicting myocarditis, heart attacks, blood clots. I don't know if you've seen that, but I mean, they were pretty clear they knew this wasn't going to do what they said it was going to do. So why would you roll something out that your own people are predicting is going to hurt a bunch of people? Do you have an opinion on that?
[Barry Young] It's a great question. It's where five I so who knows what's behind it, right? I'm not going to speculate too much about that book, but my analogy is in the way I see it is if you're a worker in a factory or a building site or whatever, and you notice there's a machine or a skeleton or whatever, that isn't safe. It's killing people. You'd say to your boss, hey, there's a machine over there, there's killed five people already. And you know, what are you going to do about it? In any other circumstance, your boss would say, all right, let's fix it. Let's fix the problem. What you wouldn't expect your boss to do is suspend you immediately and then arrest you and then tell everyone else just to ignore everything and go back to work and ignore the pile of corpses.
[Alex Jones] Very well said. Very well said.
[Barry Young] Thank you. So yeah, I don't know what's going on, but we need an inquiry to find out definitely.
[Alex Jones] And that's what you're saying is we need a real public investigation governmental, but also have the data out there. You took out the names. You didn't expose anybody's person's data. You did a great job. You had lawyers and experts checking as well. And correct anything about say is wrong. Let's talk about your arrest. People want to know about that. This is your first big interview. You did one interview. It was great.
[Barry Young] My God. Yeah. Like I said, my background is IT. I've had a very boring background up to now. Very mundane. I was looking forward to know quietly retiring [00:20:00] one day and just, you know, patting back. Good job. So I never expected anything like this. So yeah, so I've been a good model citizen, you would say, for all my life. I've never been arrested, never been in trouble with the law. I have not a speeding ticket for 20 years. And so, you know, I'm a decent guy. I'm a regular guy. And then my arrest, my God, what a doozy that was. It was awful chance. It was the Gestapo turned up and Ed cops, Ed cops with guns, smashed my door in. I was not at the house at the time. So they couldn't actually wait for me to get there or anything. They just busted down the door, trashed the place. So I turned up and then on my cars and the drive, playing cars. So I drove up. I was thinking, oh, what's going on? The garage door was open. There was people in the van. I thought, oh, my boy, my son's got some friends around us. And so I stopped the car, pulled into the other drive. And there's swarms of cops all over the car. And they're banging on the window. So we're going to break the window and, yeah, just get out, get out. So, yeah, I just literally nearly shit myself. I've never been in a situation like that before. And they dragged me out of the car, put handcuffs on, like super, super tight behind my back. And then just put me in the back of a car and like, yeah, it was, there was eight of them. And yeah, I've never experienced it. It was like the Gestapo, honestly. It was awful. And then then take to Wellington prison, police station. And yeah, it was not a nice experience. And then caught and then I was denied bail. And then off to, off to Rheumataka, Wellington Rheumataka at prison, which I must say, the staff there, and the embeds, really, really nice, really kind to me. So I want to thank them.
[Alex Jones] Well, that was my next question. What, what, because you were very astute, and you said this, this was some type of special police, you know, this was not regular policing that came and grabbed you. Can you elaborate on that? But then what I've seen with Patriots like yourself, though, a lot of times they'll quietly apologize when they know there's no cameras around. Did any of the police feel sorry for the, or were they believing some lie about you? Did they say anything to you?
[Barry Young] What they've been told in the briefing room was, this guy's Hannibal Lecter. So just go after him and use any force, any means necessary. And I was, I'm not a harmful, I'm not a violent guy. And I shouldn't have been handcuffed. It was just ridiculous, the amount of excess. And they were all up for, you know, yeah, there were, there was a lot of aggression in the air. And I didn't really think any of that was appropriate because I'm a peaceful guy.
[Alex Jones] Did they say anything to you?
[Barry Young] Um, well apart from just telling me that, you know, put my hands behind the back and get into the car. Yeah, it wasn't, wasn't good. And yeah, anything I was saying was just like, was saying, you know, just shut me down and this, they're trash the house. So I had to go into, because I have a gun safe. So I want to have I look in the gun safe stuff. So I had to, you know, get out and get the keys and stuff. And the place is just, unbelieve they were swarming everywhere and stuff was everywhere. They broke the lock and the garage and.
[Alex Jones] So you've seen me ransacked your home.
[Barry Young] My wife's underwear was scattered all over the floor. And what the hell were they looking for? For that to happen, you know, it's a computer is, you know, this big, it's, you know, obvious.
[Alex Jones] Sure. It's pure intimidation. And of course, you are trying to stop them being murdered by this by this bio weapon. This lethal injection, just just incredible. But you're saying once you got to the jail, they weren't as brainwashed as these guys.
[Barry Young] No, a nice, um, the guys in the prison. And that was like really a hot woman that I'm, um, and I got a perfect shout out to the inmates. You guys would be good to each other. Um, and yeah, the guards themselves were, some of them came up to me and said, we're on your side. And that was, that was beautiful.
[Alex Jones] Well, yeah, those trying to make them take the damn poison too. So
[Barry Young] I know, I know that the older from my workers and stuff like that, who this is what I want to stop because, you know, we're human beings. We've got to write to decide what we put into our bodies. So why do the force, the frontline workers, the, the border workers, the prison workers, even, you know, hairdressers, even to deliver a pizza. Yeah, they were forced to have a vaccine mandated. And the government can tell you now, they say, Oh, nobody was forced. [00:25:00] They absolutely did. It was like, get the vaccine. or loser your job. That is forcing people.
[Alex Jones] And credit . Barry Young, I really want to give you the floor. I've asked some decent questions. You made some right points, but I want to hear any points you want to get out and come back from break and have Steve Kershaw, another amazing person. But just, just briefly, what, what was your intent? You've said to get an investigation, but, but I also would think, are you calling for more whistleblowers, more administrators to, to, to, to see your example you've led by example, and add the courage to stand up because they're trying to roll out new lockdowns, new shots, all over the Western world, big pharma's quarterbacking it that that's not in doubt. What is your message to others that are in your same position?
[Barry Young] Absolutely come forward. It's, you know, it's got to happen. The narrative is crumbling. Every time they come out with something and say, an only vaxxer, I'm not, is, you know, coming out and spreading misinformation. How can I spread misinformation when it's government data? It's their own data. So every time they say that, the, the, the, the just the audience is shrinking and more and more people are seeing the truth. And that's what needs to happen. More people, regular people, not, oh, not, oh, you know, echo chamber that we sometimes live in. Ordinary people who, you know, didn't really want to get vaccinated, but had to be vaccinated just to keep a job to put food on the table. We need to reach those people. And the more people who come out and say, you know, this, I've noticed this is wrong, the better, the world is turning now. It's coming our way. We are, we are winning now. And this has got to end. And we have to have a fair open and honest inquiry about, you know, what went on and why it went on and what the world to. And it's just crazy. It's just wrong. What they did. And, you know, anyone can, anyone can see that we should get this information out there and do the analysis. Have a government inquiry.
[Alex Jones]Absolutely.
[Barry Young] And I, I offered that to the deputy prime minister, I was desperate to reach him.
[Alex Jones] Hold on, sir. We got to go to break. I want to hear what you did before you went public. That's a really important, I'm glad you, oh, wow, that was the question I wanted to ask. Did you try to get this to people before you went public? And then we had the statistics that are public around the world right when the shots start. Boom, the desk explode. It's everywhere. You can look at it right there. We'll be right back. Stay with us.
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[Advert Ends] .............................................. [00:28:45] [Alex Jones] All right, we are literally doing the work here. We are having incredible whistleblowers, investigative journalists, and more on who are bringing the world the truth of this massive crime against humanity. It's definitely the most organized global tyranny we've ever seen. It's corporate. And they're bringing in a world government world. Treaty right now with the corporations that control the UN, Bill Gates and others, and control your bodies. This is their excuse for a world database, a world ID. This is everything. The central bank digital currencies, you name it. And I want to just point out that Steve Kirk is a famous inventor of the so many things and a big MIT expert and philanthropist. He's in England and just spoke to Parliament. So this is a full time fight, folks, and big things are happening. We're moving on multiple fronts. And he's been obviously before he went public working and with the whistleblower Barry Young, and will also come in counterspin media for the great job and persecution they've gone through in New Zealand. They're going to be co-hosting coming up the fourth hour with Maria Zee. So this is international. [00:30:00] We're facing the same corporate biomedical takeover all over the world and we're unified worldwide, whether you're in Argentina, whether you're in South Africa, whether you're in Saudi Arabia, whether you're in Germany, whether you are in New Zealand, Australia, whether you're in Russia, or Canada, or America, we're all here together. I want to bring Steve Kersher in in a minute and really appreciate him coming on. On short notice, he's got a lot going on in the UK really trying to change things. But Barry, you made a really important point when we went into the break that I wanted you to be able to basically elaborate on and then any other points that you wanted to get out here.
[Barry Young] Yeah, I just want anyone who's got access to this level of data just to be brave because bad things happen when good people do nothing. And there are plenty good people out there, plenty of good people. We just need to be brave and do the right thing and we can end this.
[Alex Jones] I totally agree with you. The other question was you began to elaborate on the break. You were saying you reached out to the leader of your country, which is saying he wasn't going to go along with your last two leaders.
[Barry Young] He campaigned as election promise was to hold inquiries about the mandates and so far radio silence. And I tried desperately to reach him and I was saying, I'll give you this data. I'll work with you. I'll make you look like the greatest hero in New Zealand history. It's there for you. Winston Peters, it's there for you. And that's what you campaigned on for this election. And they all campaigned. They're all happy to talk to people before the election. But after the election, they just go into the little parliament and they never hear from them again. It's just a uniparty once more, just one single party and they'll move in lockstep. And it's just, it's awful. But we can't reach these people now after the election. And the haven't responded. We tried so hard to reach him and give him this data and tell him, please investigate this. We need to know what's going on.
[Alex Jones] By the way, that's key in law. Our laws are similar, common law, English common law, that you tried to go to the government and you tried to go through the system first. That's an interesting area. I want you to elaborate on that. But right now, I'm going to bring Steve Kersch in and kind of let him host here for the next 25 minutes we have with you two together, because he's way smarter than I am when it comes to this stuff. And with his observations or his questions. So Steve, go ahead.
[Steve Kirsch] Well, you know, one of the questions that's been on my mind, which Barry hasn't answered. And it's great to be able to do a zoom call with him for the first time. Is what happened when you sent the email? Did you send the email and what happened? And why don't you describe what the email you sent was? Well, I think it was really important.
[Barry Young] A million times. Yeah. So I was trying to reach the deputy prime minister for a couple of days before then. And I was calling him constantly. Got nowhere. So was Liz Gunn as well. And so we got, we got nowhere. And I sent the email, it's basically said, I am a data base administrator. I work for the Ministry of Health. These are my credentials. I implemented this database. I've noticed massive red flag safety signals in it. And statistically doing some basic analysis. It shows that these vaccines are killing people. And there's a hundred billion to one chance that they're not killing people. So statistically, it's a certainty that they are. And I just said to them, in the name of humanity, you've got two choices you can be on the right side of history, or you can choose to do nothing. And so far they've done nothing. Wow. And once I sent an email, I just closed every my system just got locked down. And they came after me like a pack of wolves.
[Alex Jones] Ah, so now we're learning the back story. Sorry, Steve, go ahead.
[Steve Kirsch] So Barry, did you send the email to everyone in upper management, notifying them of a serious safety signal in the data?
[Barry Young] Yes, everyone and the executive leadership team, all the deputy director generals. And then I sent another one to all members of Parliament, [00:35:00] saying exactly the same thing. So they know they know that your intent was to save lives. And yet, they sent the cops after you, even though they knew your intent was to save lives. That is the biggest.
[Barry Young] Yes, he did. Well, first they're locking out the system. And then they sent all sorts of injunctions and trying to stop me from saying anything and sent a guy to serve a warrant or something like that sheet of papers that I couldn't. There's a telephone book. There's no way I could read through it. And it was just, yeah, it was just gobbledygook. It wasn't even addressed to me. So I don't know what the hell the purpose of that was. Maybe it was to find out where I was at a particular time, because the next day, the cops show up and boom, I'm in jail. [Steve Kirsch] So did they, what happened? So what was the timing after you sent the email? Did they cut you off immediately from the system after you sent the email? They didn't even investigate?
[Barry Young] Yes, they locked me out the system [Steve Kirsch] immediately straight after you sent the email.
[Barry Young] No, I was summoned to work the next day. And that's the funny thing as well. They sent me a disciplinary notice that they locked me out the my system. Because I've got high level access, you can understand if it was a danger, why they would do something like that. And then I had like an hour, a half an hour is noticed to appear at the ministry for this hearing. And the funny thing is they got my name completely wrong and my job title. So it wasn't even addressed to me. So it's not addressed to me. And why should I attend a meeting?
[Alex Jones] By the way, Steve, I know you're going, I know what you do to elaborate on this, but under international law, under common law, which is the basis of law in the West, the fact that they could have claimed they were stupid later when this all comes out. But now that he went through channels first and they retaliated, forcing him to go public, they've now made themselves culpable in the crime, right, Steve?
[Steve Kirsch] I'm not an expert on that part of the law, but it is unbelievable to me that here you are whistleblower saying, hey, there's a safety signal and they treat you as the criminal here instead of looking at the data and investigating when I'm really curious what happened at this hearing that you went to.
[Alex Jones] Yeah, let's talk about that. Well, what did this happen before this all unfolded? What's the time frame?
[Barry Young] This was on Friday. I was due to appear 1130. I didn't make the hearing. I couldn't make the hearing. It wasn't even addressed to me anyway. So I, after that, I received another mail was couriered out, a letter sent, suspended from the system.
[Alex Jones] So they were acting like they were going through a process. You get blindsided, then you get arrested.
[Barry Young] Yeah, yeah, yeah. So after that, the next day, Saturday was when the private investigator turned up to serve some kind of warrant, which I've got no idea what was actually inside it, because it didn't make any sense. And then a Sunday was when the cops shot up.
[Alex Jones] And Ran-sacked your house and took it to jail.
[Barry Young] Ransacked my house and had cops with guns.
[Steve Kirsch] Did they have a search warrant?
[Barry Young] Yeah, they had a warrant, but I wasn't there at time and they just busted the door open and just trashed place.
[Alex Jones] Let me ask Steve a question. He's going to elaborate on it. Why didn't they just ignore this? Well, because they're afraid of more whistleblowers. They want to make an example. They're scared of more whistleblowers. I think that's my answer. Steve, what do you say to that? And what does the whistleblower, Barry, say to that?
[Steve Kirsch] Well, I think they want to just send a message that they need to hide the data from the public. They need to hide the public health data from the public. And that they will go after anyone who tries to create any kind of data transparency so the public can figure out what is going on. And so they will go to great lengths that will probably try to put Barry in jail for the rest of his life, because his crime is exposing the fact that the New Zealand Ministry of Health and the health New Zealand are complicit in covering up the deaths of over over 10,000 people who live in New Zealand. And the data is pretty clear because I have the data. [00:40:00] I obfuscated the data and then released it and they admitted that they couldn't break the obfuscation and nobody's privacy was violated. And anyone can analyze that data and show basically an excess death of on average for all doses and all ages at average is about one excess death per thousand. And this is very comparable to numbers that have been independently estimated by Denis Rancourt, by Mark Skidmore and others. And so all the data is coming in is consistent.
[Alex Jones] And so what's the global number? Some say 20, you're saying 13, Steve?
[Steve Kirsch] Oh, it's at least it's at least 13. And Denis estimated slightly higher. He estimated 17. And at this point, we're rearranging death chairs on the Titanic here because when we're talking about 13 million or 17 million people,
[Alex Jones] exactly.
[Steve Kirsch] The fact that everybody is asleep on this is
[Alex Jones] 10,000s of giant crime. When you're up to 13 million, 17 million, 22 million, it is it is polishing the silverware on the Titanic.
[Steve Kirsch] It definitely is. And you know, the shocking thing is that nobody nobody in the world has said, well, there's an error in buckets.py. This is the Python program that goes through the data and puts the data into buckets. Nobody has found a bug in that program. And I've had lots and lots of downloads. In fact, I had a wasabi server, I bought a terabyte worth of data in bandwidth. And they said they had to close my account because it was using too much bandwidth. And then it turns out that they also said, well, we also got a call from the New Zealand Ministry of Health saying that I'm hosting the proprietary information, which is completely false and defamatory because all that data is independently derived from their data. There is not a single record that was-
[Alex Jones] Well, Steve, let me just interrupt you. Because I remember seeing this on your Twitter, you have incredible integrity as a journalist. Not just as a MIT, you know, guru and vendor of so much, we're very respect to pillar of the community. It's true. Steve Kirschert, everybody knows that. I forgot to raise that. That's the whole other issue. The New Zealand government's trying to stop you a very successful respected journalist from looking at data that's that has removed the names of the people and is anonymous. I mean, that's a scandal right there.
[Steve Kirsch]Yeah, and not only me, Alex, they didn't just take down my server. With my derived data, in my independent work, they basically claimed it was theirs. And wasabi shut it down without ever talking to me. They closed my account on a Friday night. And they've never restored it. And they won't even talk to me about it to hear my side of the story. This is how Wasabi treats their customers.
[Alex Jones] It's incredible. It's covering up a crime.
[Steve Kirsch] And not only that, I emailed the CEO and I said, hey, can we talk about this? This is not the way you treat customers. And he basically ghosted me. I gave him my cell phone. I said, please call, let's have a dialogue. And he ghosted me. You know,
[Alex Jones] well, they're scared. it's incredible. Yeah. Barry Young.
[Steve Kirsch] Alex, Alex. This was- Let me just say this. Kevin McCurnan, I didn't ask Kevin to help me out here. I was just, I posted something I asked, I need bulletproof hosting. And Kevin McCurnan said, hey, I put a copy of your data on my server at Mega. And Mega is in New Zealand and controlled by the New Zealand government. So what happened is Kevin has a close to a terabyte worth of data. It's on all his research that he's done for the past few years. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars and years of work. What happened is mega, took down his entire server and they said, we destroyed all the data on your server. Go away. We don't want you as a customer.
[Alex Jones] Oh, there's so people who aren't computer people. So Steve, they're running scared.
[Steve Kirsch] whatever it takes to just disrupt people's lives illegally.
[Alex Jones] Barry Young, the whistleblowers' chomping at the bit, Barry, you're trying to say something. Go ahead.
[Barry Young] Sorry. Yeah. I was just said, if this was rubbish, if this is all lies, if there's a madman just spouting off, why would they be doing this? [00:45:00] Or is it because I'm telling the truth?
[Alex Jones] They're trying to stamp out the truth because then the data, I mean, continue. And then Steve. Yeah. Guys, talk to Steve. I think you may have muted himself. Steve, you may have muted yourself.
[Steve Kirsch] No, I,
[Alex Jones] you're back. You're me. What were you saying go ahead?
[Steve Kirsch] Yeah, they didn't deny anything. They didn't deny that it was legitimate data. You know, people have questioned it. They thought it was a setup. You know, a lot of the statisticians I talked to said, oh, no, no, this doesn't sound right. This is the setup. How do we know the data's legitimate? And I said, look, I've looked at the data. The data is legitimate. And the fact that they're pursuing Barry counts everybody that the data is legit. This is why they want to take him down because they know that they just legit. And they know that I did a statistically valid transformation of the data such that we preserve all the statistical fidelity in the data without exposing anyone's privacy. Now, nobody thought this was possible, but I managed to figure out how to do it. And so this means that there's now no excuse. We had just demonstrated because the New Zealand Ministry of Health has not been able to decide for any of our data. We have now demonstrated that there is no reason in the world for any government in the world to they should all be making their data transparent because I have a way to do that.
[Alex Jones] We should have congressional hearings, parliamentary, which you were just doing in the UK. So the time we have left here, they are running scared. They are complete panic mode. This is the story. I mean, I was out Sunday with my daughter grocery shopping, went to the park after that. And I had multiple people at the park, people at the grocery store bringing this up. This thing's really gone viral. Thank God, you know, for Barry Young and Steve Kirsch boosting it. What comes next Barry Young in your view? What comes next Steve Kirsch?
[Barry Young] Well, yeah, the way I look at it is it's the people's data. I work for the government, but really I'm a civil servant. I'm a servant of the people. Public servant, so my lawyer.
[Alex Jones] Steward, you're a steward.
[Barry Young] My loyalty is to the people of New Zealand. So it's their data. It belongs to them. So we should make it publicly available. And like Steve says, anonymized, redacted. It's heartbreakng because it is people's lives. It is. But you've got to look at it statistically. And we have to come up with some answers to this. And yeah, we're not harming anyone. We're not doing anyone any disservice. We're not releasing any data.
[Alex Jones] Yeah what do they have to hide? It's nobody's name. So let me ask you this. What needs to come next Barry Young?
[Barry Young] Well, we just, yeah, we're waiting on people like Winston Peters, our deputy prime minister, who made this a campaign promise that he was going to look into it to actually front up and do what he said. And it's got to happen all over the world. We have to hold the inquiries. We have to look at it have a fair, honest, open discussion. But at least look at the data. Don't just try and lock people away because you can lock me away. You can put me away. But you can't you can't hide the truth. You can't lock away the truth. It will always come out.
[Alex Jones] All right, let me say this is the time we have left. We do a commercial free show as well. It's millions of views. But I was sitting here before the show began. And I said, I'm really concerned about Barry Young. I really want to because he's so most people never think about themselves losing their job. What's happening? I said, asking who's going to go fund me? Who's setting up a foundation for whistleblowers? He's about to go through hell. We don't want to just support whistleblowers. We want to champion them and know we're here to support them. And the crew's like, we hear Steve Kersch is actually working on that. So Steve, you always think one step ahead of me. What do we do Barry Young? You're a very humble guy, but you need money to defend yourself. And then you need money to champion you, to set up a foundation, whatever's coming. So the enemy knows when they come after whistleblowers, we're not just going to back them. We're going to celebrate them. So we got four minutes to break. Guys, what do we do here? Is there a go fund me? If they ban you, give send go is, great. It doesn't censor. What do we do? Both of you.
[Steve Kirsch] Yeah, we want to make sure that Barry gets the best defense available. [00:50:00] And so I will be taking steps to, sorry, I will be taking steps to do that myself and encourage other people to do it as well. But Barry is absolutely correct. It is the people's data. This is the public's public health data and the people are entitled to see it in an obfuscated form. And the fact that it has been created for them because the New Zealand Ministry of Health was incapable of creating obfuscated data. But now that they have it and they have verified that it is not breakable, they need to be publishing this. They don't they shouldn't be taking this down from servers. They should be saying, look at this data.
[Alex Jones] Yeah, they should be proud of the the Sennard Inn. I just want to point out, Barry Young, when I asked when he was coming on, he had no idea. I've not thought about the future. I'm unemployable now. No, he should be celebrated. He demands not even thinking about his next step. That's a real hero, folks. So Barry is encouraging you to do the work. Yeah, absolutely. Barry Young, even very gracious. I know it's early in the morning, there. We got to go to break here in one minute. We'll come back to five more minutes. Have you closing comments? I know Steve's got to go. He's in the UK. We have the lawyer that you worked with Liz Gunn coming on. But just any other points you'd like to make?
[Barry Young] I'm just I'm just so overwhelmed by all the beautiful people out there and all the support I've got. And yeah, I never intend any dishonesty. There's no dishonest purpose in what I do. And every shred of evidence will point to that. And they can go through everything they want. There's not a dishonest bone in my body. I just want this to be made, the public to be made aware, to see it, to analyze it themselves and make their own decision. There is no dishonest intent here. Okay. So yeah, that's the way I roll.
[Alex Jones] Well, we know where the dishonest thing is. They're trying to hide the data. And let me just say something. You're doing this for my family. Me supporting you is at the end of the day out of altruism, which which is empathy, which is what makes us all have a civilization. You're standing up for my family and for my medical rights. So I'm not doing you a favor supporting you. You're a champion fighting for my family. And so is Steve Kershaw. Go to break two minutes from now and come back. Final comments from both of you. And just this is incredible. Barry Young, CounterSpin Media was the first to break it. Thank you, CounterSpin.
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[Alex Jones] Steve curse is going to ride shotgun a little bit with us into the next hour with a lawyer Liz Gunn who did a great job getting this out. But I don't know a Barry Young knows about the Streisand effect. That's a US term that goes around where Streisand got mad that somebody showed her, you know, 50 bedroom house on the beach or whatever. And she got mad try to suppress it made it 100 times bigger. But the Streisand effect is in effect here. So Barry Young in closing, please come back and give us updates. It's so selfless. I'm asking what are you thinking about your future legal funds? I have't even thought of that. That's just why you're so awesome, brother. Because I'll be honest, if I was doing what you were doing, I'd already be thinking five steps ahead. You are such a sweetheart, your family, your lady or such sweethearts. Closing comments here that you want to impart to folks. [00:55:00]
[Barry Young] I just want to say I'm doing this for the people of New Zealand. From our heart. For the kids, for our grandchildren, our whakapuna, our tamariki. This is for them. And the status that holds a lot of river of tears. I've already said that. There's a lot of deaths in this data that need to be questioned, need to be asked. And a lot of people have died to bring this data to the public's attention. Don't let them die vain.
[Alex Jones] It was George Orwell that said in a time of universal deceit telling the truth's a Revolutionary Act, you are a hero because we've become cowards. But really, you've just done your duty. And if you would have known this and wouldn't have gone public, you would have been complicit. I mean, I think that's why you were forced to make this decision.
[Barry Young] Yeah, it was um, it's harder to look than to. Looking at the data was, it was breaking my heart daily. So, it was easier just to say, I'm done with it. Let's just let it out then. Whatever will happen will happen. And if I have to spend the rest of my life in a jail cell, so I'll be happy with, you know, my soul will rest.
[Alex Jones] Wow. Wow. If everybody had your attitude, we'd be in a utopia. So beautiful. Barry Young, I said final comment. Any other beautiful things you want to tell us?
[Barry Young] I'm done.
[Alex Jones] Alright Barry.
[Barry Young] Yeah, emotionally straining. It's been a roller coaster. I'm just so happy for all the support and all the beautiful people out there that make it keep me going. You know, it's it's a wonderful journey. And people like Steve involved as well. I mean, brother, you've delivered a hundredfold. And I really respect you and admire you for what you've done. and your stand. And people like you Alex, who I don't agree with everything you say. I really don't. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I would die in a hill for your right to sell what you say.
[Alex Jones] I appreciate that. Barry, I just want you to know, brother, they distort what I've supposedly have said so much of what you hear I said was out of context or a joke. I don't even make jokes anymore because they just take them out of context, 10 second clip. And but I totally understand. Well, we're going to win this thing together. And we are at a historic moment right here. And a lot of more a lot of other whistleblowers are going to come public. And we're going to defeat this together, Barry, because we have to.
[Barry Young] We do. It's starting to happen. The world is turned. I can feel it. It's this is ending. This is ending now.
[Alex Jones] It is.
[Steve Kirsch] Barry has done something that no human being has ever done in history. He is the first person in history to make public; public health record level data. Never been done before. It's always been hidden by every public health authority in the entire world. And for the first time, we got to see the man behind the curtain because of Barry's efforts. This is amazing. Barry also, I talked to Barry before he did this, he said, I may be killed, or I may spend the rest of my life in jail. But he was willing to do that and sacrifice his family because it was the right thing to do. There are very few people who have the courage and integrity to do what Barry did.
[Alex Jones] I agree. I'm going to break. But Barry, let me guess. Barry, let me guess. 10 seconds. Do you feel more alive than ever?
[Barry Young] Yeah, I've slept for the first time in years. It's the best sleep I've ever had.
[Alex Jones] Incredible. Thank you, sir.
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