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[Paul Brennan] All right, coming up in just a few moments here at RCR, Barry Young, the whistleblower, you will hear from him an interview that Alistair Harling of RCR did, I think just before the weekend. And Alistair joins us quickly now just to tell us about how that came together before we hear the interview. Morning Alistair,
[00:00:43] [Alistair Harding] morning Paul.
[00:00:45] [Paul Brennan] Okay, so Barry Young, people have been sending us correspondence saying you've got to get this guy on, so you managed to catch up with them. How did they come together quickly?
[00:00:57] [Alistair Harding] Yeah, last week I was down in the Wellington region where he's from and we got in touch. And we met together halfway at Woodville. We went and met together and we sat down and we had a good chat and we recorded the interview about to hear and just heard all about what's been going on for him. I met him on me on Thursday. So that was one week after he had put out his initial video and putting out all the information to the world. And it just struck me as I was listening to him that there's just an absolute willful blindness that's going on here. We don't know for sure what the data says because like I'm not a data analyst. But when you look at the way that the media has treated all of this, the way that the government has treated it, nobody's actually asked him yet what it is that he's trying to say, what it is that the data says, all they're doing is trying to smear him. And he's holding up extremely well. It was really quite incredible. He's a very brave man and he was able to come and meet me and talk through all the different details. And what we're seeing is just a willful blindness. It reminds me of last year we were at the Auckland Domain for a Freedom and Rights Coalition protest and Casey Hodgkinson and Rob Martin, two people that were Vax injured got up to speak and they're sitting there in their wheelchairs that they're sitting in their wheelchairs because of the vaccine. And Rob Martin is so bad, his nervous system so bad that his hand was shaking and someone had to hold the microphone for him. And I turned my cameras on that day back around to the media who were there and that all turned their cameras off and they were all playing on their phones and so on. And that's what we're looking at here. The same thing with Barry Young - is a willful blindness that they just don't want to hear what he has to say. And I think it's very disturbing.
[00:03:07] [Paul Brennan] Well Alistair, thank you for making the effort and connecting with Barry Young and doing this interview on Reality Check Radio. We're going to have a listen to it now. And thanks for coming on and sort of giving us a bit of a background of there before we hear it.
[00:03:25] [Alistair Harding] Yeah, no problem Paul. And yeah, let's just hope that this willful blindness will end because Barry Young's not the last person that's going to come forward with information like this. He's not the last whistle-blower. And I think as we go through every day, studies are coming out, information is coming out every day that just shows, we know now lockdowns were illegal. We know that the mandate's caused mass loss of jobs, loss of businesses, countless unreported injuries, even med safe acknowledges that. Studies show about how lockdowns harmed kids' education, harmed masks, all of these different things. And until we have some sort of acknowledgement of what people like Barry Young are trying to say, I don't think this is ever going to end. They're not going to make this go away just by silencing him. So yeah, the first thing I asked Barry was, how's he feeling?
[End of Introduction, Start of Interview with Barry]
[00:04:27] [Barry Young] I'm a little bit tired, to be honest with you, despite all the coffee. It's been quite busy few days, but it's good to be on the outside. My life prior to this was being in the shadows, being anonymous, being pretty much unknown. What I do is just my life is at a desk and a computer, and that's it. We don't really socialise as DBAs, it's my job title, database administrator. We just, IT is our world, data is our world, and we're picked because we're reliable, honest, trustworthy, tick all the boxes. We can be vetted by governments, come out, all good, and we're trusted with the world's most sensitive data.
[00:05:18] [Alistair Harding]
- Okay, let's start at the beginning.
- Where are you from?
[00:05:27] [Barry Young] All right, I'm from a place called Chopple, which is in the northeast of England. So if anyone says I'm alt-right, alt-right-wing, I'm absolutely not. I'm labour-thruined through. Always was, always have been. And I'm from a pit village, ex-pit village called Chopple, mine in village. And it's typical one in the valley. And so left-wing there, we have streets called Marx, Tarrus, Lenin, Tarrus, Engels, all the old guys from the communist era, streets unammed after those guys. And our pit village was the first one that went on strike in the great strike of 1924, and the last one to go back to work. There was a huge strike caused a huge thing. And our pit banner, every single mine had a pit banner when they went marching and playing bands and stuff. Our hangs in the Kremlin Museum in Moscow, Russia. I'm a regular guy. I'm just a normal guy. I've been labour all my life. So there's nothing conspiracy theory about me. Just a regular normal Joe.
[00:06:29] [Alistair Harding]
- OK, so how long have you lived in New Zealand?
[00:06:31] [Barry Young] I came here in 1996 and just fell in love with the place. So basically, 23 years.
[00:06:38] [Alistair Harding]
- And how did you come to be working for Health New Zealand?
[00:06:41] [Barry Young]
- Health New Zealand was, yeah, worked in a few sites in Wellington. Got a job at the Ministry of Health. 2010, I was there for 18 months. And got a better offer at one of the big banks. Worked there for 10 years. And then Ministry of Health again. And just, yeah, Wellington is a small place and your reputation, people know it. So you've got to, basically, you've got to be good at your job. Otherwise, you'll struggle.
[00:07:14] [Alistair Harding]
- Yeah. What was your job?
[00:07:16] [Barry Young]
- Senior Database Administrator. Oracle. Yeah. Which meant I had access to high level health information of all New Zealanders. And the system that I was involved with, that I helped build, was the pay per dose COVID vaccination system. And it meant the health providers were on a contract basis that they got paid for every single vaccination that they gave. Which meant that it was in their best interest to vaccinate as many people as possible. So my system, the pay per dose system, was one of the biggest systems, not the only system in New Zealand. There are other contracts that health providers and DHBs have with the government, which I don't have access to. My system that I did have access to, there was about 2.2 million Kiwis who went through my system. And it's a very robust, accurate system. It's a system of financial transactions, basically. But it all includes health record, like data, the data birth, data death, NHI numbers. So it's not the only system in New Zealand, but as regards to me looking after it, there was about 5 million transactions on it. And it only needed one person to look after it. And that was me. There are other systems. I don't know about those. I don't know the data on those. All I know is that the one that I helped to build, implement and support, held a lot of good data on it. It had to be validated in order to do every step of the way.
[00:08:58] [Alistair Harding]
- Okay, so this is the system that everybody's been talking about since your story went public, right?
[00:09:05] [Barry Young] Yeah, yeah. It's a complete data set. There's nothing fudged about it. It is just the pay per dose contract system. So every single person that went to one of the vaccination centers that went through this procedure and it records a lot of minute details from the start and time of the service when they sat down to talk to the nurse or whatever, to the end time when the needle was pulled out of the arm, records a lot of information. And then from that, they send the files that the provider produces to one of our servers. It comes into my database. It gets validated and processed. It gets enriched. Got through a complicated rules engine to make sure everything's okay. And then gets an audit record popped into it to say, yep, everything checks out. This person can now be paid for that transaction. So there's nothing funny about it. It's a complete record of all the valid transactions. Yeah. So there's no unvaccinated people on there. Every single one of them in there is vaccinated. It's, you know, because it's, we pay for the vaccinations. So obviously they're all vaccinated who are on the table. It records deaths, data deaths and data births. So from that, you can ascertain mortality rates and age groups within that.
[00:10:34] [Alistair Harding] So what did you see? What does this data show?
[00:10:36] [Barry Young]
- So of the 2.2 million individuals who are on the system, there were about 37,000 who are no longer with us, which is a, if you do the maths as a slightly higher mortality rate than the average, it's about 10% higher than what it should be.
[00:10:55] [Alistair Harding]
- Did you go looking for this data or is it just something that you noticed?
[00:11:02] [Barry Young] It's something I noticed in the data. I was always, I like stats and information and data. That's my thing. It's a bit nerdy, but you know, it's, and what I like about data and computers and IT is that it tells you the truth. There's no bullshit. It doesn't lie. A computer does not lie. It's either one or zero. It's basically what's made out of. When you look at the data, it's like, see the truth. It's like seeing the truth. And it's a cool thing. And then you can put garbage and you get garbage out. But your job is to make sure that the data is accurate. And it's not molested or changed or manipulated in any way. That's critical. It's got to be an accurate thing. Otherwise, if it's a financial record, then there's a fraud going on. So it's very important that the data is 100% accurate. So I would never, ever manipulate or do anything with it. So what did you say? What I saw, right, was it blew my mind. Just looking at it, there was a data desk column. So I just thought, oh, you know, it's interesting. And then I scroll through. And then I just saw, holy shit. There's a whole bunch of deaths in a cluster that just shouldn't happen. And I know that just by scrolling through data, you would see one or two deaths per couple of hundred, which would reflect the mortality rate. But that's average. But you scroll through screens and screens of data. And then you say, oh, data, death, data, data, data, data. But then when you see a whole bunch of them, all at the same time, all injected within a couple of hours of each other at the same site, usually by the same person, that's a screaming red flag. And then I realized, these are human lives. It's different to a bank, just numbers, financial transactions. It doesn't really mean a lot. But when you connect the dots and you see that these are people, then it's real.
[00:13:12] [Alistair Harding]
- Did you try and tell anybody? Did you try and show it to any of your superiors or anyone else in the office?
[00:13:19] [Barry Young]
- And nobody was going to listen to that. I knew that the whole attitude was just ignore anything, just carry on. If I'd felt safe and if I thought for one instant that they would do something about it, I would have gone straight at the top and said, hey, look, this is dangerous. This is a killer. But because of the time involved, there was no way that they would listen. So yeah, I was a bit curious. I was a bit suspicious. I didn't do anything wrong. I had access to the data. I just wanted to see what maybe nobody else could see. And that it is a dangerous killer.
[00:14:10] [Alistair Harding]
- So could you talk me through the choice that you did make?
[00:14:14] [Barry Young]
- Yep. I mean, that was just a journey that the universe decided for me. And I think, you know, why was that at that place at that time? Why me? Could be just fate. And so I had this data and I had access to the... I could see what was going on. What I wondered at the time was a government inquiry to answer a few questions. Why? Why are we doing this? Why can't we stop it? So I approached a few different organisations and they didn't get anywhere with it. And just kept going and going and my life got harder and harder looking at the data. Seeing all these poor people, you know, the lives being destroyed.
[00:15:03] [Alistair Harding]
- This is now we're going through 2022.
[00:15:05] [Barry Young]
- 2022, yep. And so I thought, you know, we've got to do something to end it. We've got to try harder because I couldn't go on seeing what I saw. You know, it was hard, hard-breaking. These are people's lives. It's hard to see. So it's hard to... It was all about timing. And it was just fate that decided it really.
[00:15:32] [Alistair Harding]
- Okay. So this data that you've put out, what should international analysts be looking at here?
[00:15:38] [Barry Young] Just the statistics. I know these are people's lives, but I've anonymised, redacted. And at the end of the day, it's just statistics. So what we need to do, look at it. Unbiased, no agenda. Be skeptical about it. And just look at the data and see what it says.
[00:16:01] [Alistair Harding] And what do you think it says?
[00:16:04] [Barry Young] I think from doing my own rudimentary analysis and basic probability theory is that if you got a mortality rate of even 50%, which is astronomical, it's a tiny, tiny chance that you can do that. You'd need to throw like 100 billion coins to get that level of the clusters happening. Those events happening. One after the other. Bang, bang, bang, bang. So it's like all these people in a vaccination centre, they're all injected. One after the other, and now they're all dead. That would not exist by chance.
[00:16:44] [Alistair Harding]
- But skeptics will say that a lot of the deaths that you're pointing out are coming from rest homes where we expect to see deaths.
[00:16:51] [Barry Young]
- Absolutely. That's where you need to look at it. What were the age ranges? What are the mortality rates of those age ranges? And does the data fit? What is it? You know, what is the data show? Why are we getting higher mortality rates under certain batches, under certain vaccinators? What is going on? I'm not a statistician. I need people to look at it. And I want people to be skeptical about it and prove me wrong.
[00:17:22] [Alistair Harding]
- What if there's a perfectly reasonable answer for all of this? And you've just gone and put this out there without considering it?
[00:17:29] [Barry Young]
- There is. Look at the data and use Occam's razor to decide what is the event which is causing it. You know, Occam's razor is to remove everything that isn't... You can disregard and then look at the... What is the causality of it? You can say, or all these people have an ice cream before they were vaccinated. Maybe that caused them to die. I don't know. But if you rule everything else out, you can say with some degree of certainty that if you rule that out, the only thing left is the vaccine. And that's what we need to discuss. That's why we need a public inquiry.
[00:18:08] [Alistair Harding]
- They have basically admitted that it's real data, haven't they?
[00:18:12] [Barry Young]
- Well, I don't see how they can't. If I'm using government's data to spread misinformation, then that's all willy and double think. And I'd like to know how they can say that. If it's their own data, they cannot deny it. And I'm not making it up. I'm not adding to it. I'm not removing stuff. And they can't have it both ways. Either it is their data or it's not.
[00:18:36] [Alistair Harding]
- What do you think of the reaction of the New Zealand media to all of it?
[00:18:40] [Barry Young]
- Well I haven't really looked too much at it because, you know, the mainstream media is just... What I've seen on the news, basically the headlines is just saying misinformation spread using government's data or something along those lines. Which is like, that's a joke. If it's their data, how can it be misinformation?
[00:19:00] [Alistair Harding]
- So what do you think of the reaction to it all? Is it what you expected?
[00:19:06] [Barry Young] The people of New Zealand are beautiful. And the reaction I've had is like, yes, we need to have an inquiry. It's government data. It belongs to the people of New Zealand. That's who I see as my employer. So I want the data to be in the public domain so it can be looked up and analyzed and prove that it's safe and effective.
[00:19:32] [Alistair Harding] Did you try and raise this with your employer? Raise it internally inside Health New Zealand before you went public with it?
[00:19:41] [Barry Young] I did try and raise it to the executive leadership team and I sent an email to every single member of Parliament. And for days before it was due to come out, which I knew it had to, I was trying desperately to reach Winston Peters to tell him, I could do you a huge favor here. I could make you the greatest New Zealander in history if you just listened to us and do what you elected to do. Fulfill your campaign promise because they're all about before the election. Yeah, they'll talk to you. They'll have meetings and all up and down the country. Every single one of them. But then once they're elected, they're gone with a little hole in the quiet. So Winston, I came out of hiding. My Winston Smith, everyone knows who I am. It's time you came out of hiding as well.
[00:20:36] [Alistair Harding]
- Why did you use that name Winston? Because you're on video, everyone can see your face.
[00:20:41] [Barry Young]
- Well, I chose a name Winston Smith because I wanted to fly under the radar for as long as I could. So every time I approached someone, I always said, Winston, that's all I can, all the information I can give you. So my analogy to 1984 was because he worked at the Ministry of Truth and his job was to hide information, basically. So the name sort of resonated with me. And I thought, I would never be in the public limelight. I never wanted to be. So my job was just basically to bring this information to give it to the people of New Zealand for them to look at it and be skeptical and prove that it's safe and effective.
[00:21:23] [Alistair Harding]
- So now let's talk about the arrest. You put the video out on the Thursday. It took until Sunday for them to come for you. Tell me about that.
[00:21:38] [Barry Young]
- I'd gone down to the mall. I had to get some milk and some dog roll. Came back in the car. I pulled up at the drive and there was cars there, unmarked, planned cars, garage doors up and I thought, my boy, I had some mates around or something. So I just pulled up in the next door, an air-bears drive. And then I saw, holy shit, these are cops. And then there was a swarm and all over me. And there was eight of them and they were armed and they basically dragged me out of the car. The hand-cuffed me and they were all armed and put me in the back of a car and then ransacked the house, trashed the place, busted the door down and they had a search warrant. They took all the stuff but I'm a harmless guy. I've never been in trouble with the police in my life. I've never had a speed ticket for 20 years and I'm a good citizen. I'm a model citizen. I've had the highest level access in New Zealand to data. So I'm a trusted guy. I'm a good person. So you'd think that would give me some respect to just basically, you don't have to handcuff me. I'm not going to put up a fight. I'm not violent. You don't have to do all this. You don't have to have glocks. And I'll let you in. Don't bust my door down. I'd open it up for you.
[00:23:04] [Alistair Harding]
- Throughout all of this, has anybody, and I'm talking about anybody from the police, to the judge, to the media, anybody, has anybody asked you what you're trying to say by releasing this data?
[00:23:19] [Barry Young]
- No, absolutely not. No. It's like they're not interested. They've already made the mind up that this is what he's done, opening in such case. The analogy I can think of is if you're a worker in a factory or building site, I've already said this. You see something that's dangerous and kill people. You tell your boss, look, this is dodgy. You've got to fix it. Your boss would say, oh, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I'll get right on it. I'll fix it. I'll sort it out. What you don't expect is to be suspended and fired, then arrested. And then everyone else that you work with told, just ignore that, go back to work, ignore the corpses. So it's a complete dystopian view of what should actually happen. You know, I'm raising a red flag saying that there's something in this data that needs to be looked at. Don't punish me for that. I'm telling the truth.
[00:24:10] [Alistair Harding] So can you tell me now why did you do this with everything that you knew would happen? You knew that this was going to be how it would end up surely.
[00:24:20] [Barry Young]
- I did it to get it to the attention of the authorities so I could have an inquiry about it. That's my end game. That's all I want. Look at the data. And then prove to everyone in New Zealand, which is what we all want. They tell us it's safe and effective. Okay, and now look at the data and explain to us how it is safe and effective.
[00:24:42] [Alistair Harding]
- What are your bail conditions?
[00:24:45] [Barry Young]
- My bail conditions, I have to reside at a certain address and I cannot go to any to fat ora premises within 100 meters unless I'm under medical treatment. So stay away and live where we tell you to live and do not fly anywhere to my past. My past what was taken. I actually lost it. I didn't know where my past what was and they managed to find it. So that's a win.
[00:25:09] [Alistair Harding] What do you think your future is then?
[00:25:09] [Barry Young] Well, we'll find out and if it comes down to it, if this is the revenge that New Zealand wants. And I don't know, it's the people, the beautiful people of New Zealand deserve to know the truth. But if it's what those people in charge and power, if this is what they want, here's my heart. Come and take it.
- But if you do, and everyone's watching you, you'll wake a fucking dragon.
[00:25:48] [Alistair Harding]
- Did you think this was going to happen?
[00:25:58] [Barry Young]
- Yes, worst case scenario I did.
- Of course, I'd like it not to, but if this is what it takes, it's what it's going to take. And I'm prepared for it.
[00:26:11] [Alistair Harding]
- What's the support from the public being like?
[00:26:14] [Barry Young]
- Beautiful, unbelievable. There's so much support out there. There are so many people in the world that want to know the truth and they want to know. Yes, they're safe and effective. Why wouldn't they? And why would the government want to hide that data from them? If it's not safe and effective, they need to know.
[00:26:34] [Alistair Harding]
- Is there anything you do differently?
[00:26:37] [Barry Young]
- Absolutely not. This is the way the universe is decided. It's put me in this place at this time to do this thing. So this is what I'm going to do. For better or worse.
[00:26:56] [Alistair Harding]
- I heard someone in the media recently insinuate that you're a nutter and a madman. Is that what you are?
[00:27:04] [Barry Young]
- I'm a Geordie. So yes, we are mad. My ancestry is young, so that's their border rivers from Middle March and Scotland. So our ancestry is... We're madman. We've got big hearts. Believe it, justice. Justice would be for the people of New Zealand to get what they want. Get this day out. Have a look at it. Everyone, even the people who believe the mainstream media need to be shown this because they're taught 2 plus 2 equals 5 and the narrative is just getting less and less credible. And sooner or later, people are going to say and wake up and say 2 plus 2 equals 4 and let's have a look at it and let's never do this again because it's a very dark path that we're going down and we need to get back to the main road and we need to get back to what's normal. We should never, ever have done this to ourselves. It is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. For a government to do this, it was on people. And then people are screaming that it's wrong. You know, it's just... And they're not listening. They're just doubling down all the time. It's like, where is the investigation? Where's the justice here? Who benefits?
[00:28:28] [Paul Brennan]
- And you've just been listening to Alastair Harlings interview with Barry Young, the COVID data whistleblower and that was recorded, I think, on Friday afternoon in Woodville. And you heard it here at RCR.
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